Well, i was just thinking about the akatsuki member... We have seen most of them in action other than Zetsu. Zetsu is the only one who we haven seen in action.
We know that Pain was the open leader of Akatsuki n Tobi/Madara was the real leader in Akatsuki n i think most of us will agree tat these two are the most powerful Akatsuki member of all... What about the rest of them? who do you think is the next most powerful Akatsuki member...?

p.s I put in Orochimaru's name as he was an x-member, teammate of Itachi in Akatsuki...

Well for one, if you can take out Zetsu and Konan because no one has any idea on how powerful they are. Heck we haven't even seen what they can do except one can turn into thousands of post-its, and the other can come and go as he pleases wherever, whenever he wanted. Oh and that he has a split personality. My vote would be split into Itachi and Kisame.


Kisame because even Pein said it himself, Kisame has a lot of chakra even for akatsuki members. meaning he has more than any other. And Itachi because, well he has the sharingan hack on him, and he was able to use Tsukiyomi, amaterasu, and susanoo. No to mention from what we have seen, he is exceptionally fast and intelligent.



All the others members were either to slow or had more than one flaw.



Kakuzu: His flaws were he underestimates his opponent no matter who they were. And he sees himself too highly. In battle that is two huge flaws. Like I said Fighting consists 65% mental and 35% physical.


Hidan: Way too dependent on his one move. Seems to me he only had that one move to work with. Plus, he was very slow and thought everything as a joke.


Deidara: A very formidable opponent. The only reason why I picked Itachi over him is because Itachi has a doujutsu that seems godlike. But also, Deidaras attacks can be easier to counter or evade than Itachis.


Sasori: Again his attacks seem to have a wider opening than Itachis. But none the less, he is very strong and formidable as well.


Orochimaru: Well he is strong and a force to reckon on the battlefield but, his vision and thoughts of knowing many jutsus clouds his judgment. Not to mention he always thought he had the upper-hand in every battle. And in combat thats never the case. Only when you have your opponents mind defeated is when you have the upper-hand.

I voted for Itachi. I think Pain had more chakra than Itachi and a lot more power because of the rinnegan but Pain was used by Madara just like Sasuke. Itachi on the other hand I don't think that Madara could use him like he wanted to, his sharingan abilities were great (Magenkyo, Tsukuyomi, and Susano'o) and besides he was just relly good at foreseeing things.

Kisame is the only other member besides Itachi that I think could be considered the strongest but that's only because he has so much chakra. As far as I've seen he has a hot temper and he doesn't control that very well.

Also I think Orochimaru's partner was originally Sasori not Itachi.

Itachi easily. Itachi is much MUCH stronger than Kisame, Kisame even admits this himself (when he said he would have no chance against Jiraiya and that Itachi would probably draw with him). The MS techniques pretty much make him almost unbeatable. After Itachi it would be Orochimaru, in terms of pure skill this is an undeniable fact. He is stronger then Kisame (if Kisame says he would have no chance against Jiraiya, you know he wouldn't fare much better against Oro). I think there's a big gap between the rest of the members after these two to be honest, though Kisame would undoubtedly be third. Kisame hasn't impressed me thus far, he lost against Gai (though Gai did have to go all out) and the only disability was having "only" 30% of his chakra (30% of Kisame's chakra is still like 3 times more than everyone else's) so I honestly don't think his taijutsu skill (which his chakra level would have no effect on) is up to par with the first two.

Very true. I forgot about that moment when Kisame and Itachi met with Jiraiyah. I just thought about Kisame more than orochimaru because Kisame is still around and orochimaru has been dead. But true though, while kisame wouldn't have a chance with Jiraiyah he probably wouldn't have a chance with orochimaru. But orochimaru stood up against Jiraiyah and Tsunade at the same time...not to mention Hiruzen. And I know Hiruzen would have wiped the floor with Kisame. Definitely in his prime.

Its pretty clear for me that Itachi is considered to be the strongest after those two. However, i think it is not as direct in the battle for second place. I can see the reason why zeriah is rating Oro to be second after Itachi.
However,i will put him in an equal second place with Kisame at the moment as we haven seen much of Kisame. Kisame did admit that he wouldn be able to stand with Jiraiya,but it can be that he was being low profile. On the other hand,his 30% was gut enough for Gai n his team though he lost at last when Gai opened his Gate. The same way,30% Itachi also lost to Kakashi n Naruto. We haven seen Kisame in action other than tat.Therefore,i dunt think its appropriate to judge Kisame based on that. On the other hand,Oro was holding his own against Jiraiya(who was still feeling the effect of the poison) n Tsunade n we have seen alot of Orochimaru in fights. Therefore,it is more that Oro had more chance to show what he cn do than Kisame. In my opinion, i cant decide who is the second strongest after Itachi as we haven seen much of the rest of the Akatsuki members besides Itachi, orochimaru n Deidara probably...

Again,its just my opinion..lolz

It wasn't "30%" of Kisame in all aspects though, just how much chakra he has. So his speed, psychical strength and jutsu strength (to a certain extent, explanation further down) should not have been effected. The only thing that was effected was how many jutsu he could use, and how much chakra he could put into each jutsu. Since Kisame's chakra level is so great, 30% of it should have easily allowed him to use a good 10+ full strength jutsus, which is more then most people can normally (Kakashi could not do this at full power haha). So he wasn't effected by the 30% jutsu overly. If his speed and strength were also reduced by 30% I would be inclined to agree with you, but it was just his chakra, so him normally would not be that much greater then he was against Gai. Itachi on the other hand is a whole different matter, his chakra levels are not that high so he could only use very few jutsus with the limiter and his most powerful ability (MS) was completely off limits so he was effected massively by the limiter. You also have to take into account that Itachi probably allowed himself to be beaten, since he was against Akatsuki for the entire time.

Now Oro has beaten Jiraiya in the past, fought evenly with a full strength Tsunade and a weakened Jiraiya without his arms and is most certainly Kage level. Even if Jiraiya did not have sagemode when he first fought Oro and became stronger than Oro in the end (which is likely) neither Itachi nor Kisame knew about sagemode either so you can safely assume that Kisame would also probably have no chance against Oro.

At least that is my logic.

Itachi, of course. The only thing strong enough to defeat the Uchiha clan slaughterer is cardiac arrest.

that's tru! not to mention, that Madara sent Kisame by himself to find and capture Killer-Bee after Sasuke and his team failed. If they failed as a powerful team, and Madara still sent Kisame all by himself, that most likely means that Kisame is ALOT stronger than what we may realize.

Ok, aren't speed,physical strength and jutsu strength dependant on chakra?I thought n read sumwher(dunt remember where exactly) that its interdependant of the amount of chakra.
Its true that 30% chakra of Kisame is still much much more than other Ninjas n he can use like zeriah said 10 + full strength jutsus. However, if he has more powerful jutsus which would have required let say more than 30% of his chakra for one jutsu,he couldn't have usen these jutsus during the fight which probably would hv defeated Gai.

jamrock@14 July 2009,12.15pm


Yea probably,he is alot stronger,but the fight is not on yet,mayb this fight might bring out more evidence also...we have to wait n see...

"Taijutsu (体術?, lit. "body techniques" or "hand-to-hand combat") refers to any techniques involving the martial arts or the optimization of natural human abilities. Taijutsu is executed by directly accessing the user's physical and mental energies, relying on the stamina and strength gained through training. Because chakra does not need to be produced taijutsu can typically be performed much faster than ninjutsu or genjutsu techniques. Chakra can be used for taijutsu to serve secondary purposes, such as adding more force to physical attacks, but most taijutsu rarely use chakra"

From jutsu on the Naruto wiki page so it doesn't appear to. How do you think Lee can be so good at taijutsu but cannot handle even the smallest amount of chakra? And yes I think a full strength Kisame would beat Gai, but Gai is hardly Orochimaru haha.

Zetsu is right in that Taijutsu doesnt use chakra at all,but ninjutsu does use chakra. Kisame could hv had some jutsus which he couldnt use at the time...
However,its all just guesses...I am assuming if the battle between Kisame n 8tail is coming soon. Probably my doubts will be cleared then...

Taijutsu does not depend on chakra since it uses physical energy... but without physical energy (and mental energy, btw), you cannot produce chakra. Simple as that.

Baaaah! Konan is the strongest.......she at pains side and now the new leader of Ame. and also attended Pain against the Konoha's attack......it's Konan

Lol, 100% agree. Makes me wonder why he wont use Susano and slaughter the whole of akatsuki, with an invincible shield and sword.

W-what about K-konan??!

LOL I was wondering who was the only one that voted for Konan... I think she's definitely strong since she's the only woman in Akatsuki but compared to Itachi, which is the one I voted for I don't think she could stand a chance...however I'm sure that against some weaker Akatsuki members she could win.

This is because ....... she hasn't fought with her full power....she's strong trust me Zetsu is only wrong 10% of the time!

Oh I'm not saying she's not, like I said I'm sure she is. But as I have seen Itachi fight I know she couldn't have beaten him, I mean he only died in that fight 'cause he was already sick and he wanted to die.

LOL. That's cool we are entitled to our opinions. To be honest, I hope we see more of her. Maybe join in on Narutos battle against Madara and the rest of Akatsuki. She did say Naruto would have help from Her and the rain village. So we'll see. I mean we didn't see anything from her instead of just forming a big tree of paper and transforming herself into post-its. So hopefully Kishimoto would bring her back to unleash more of her power.


But even then, I just believe she would have even a chance against Itachi and some other akatsuki members. She was with nagato and she was his partner. But its because I believe he trusted more than anyone else and the friendship they had between them. Plus the promise he had to keep for Yahiko of protecting her. Like I said in my firt post in this thread, Konan and Zetsu shouldn't even be there because we know nothing of them.

Yes, we are. LOL somehow I found myself saying that a lot this week.
I also hope we get to see more of Konan I mean if Kishi even brought back Inari and Tazuna why not??

That's what I was about to say ^^ I he remembers them (of course) then he's got future plans......

She was getting toyed with by Jiraiya, but then again so would almost everybody on that list except for maybe Itachi.

I think Zetsu is half joking though I like Konan too, hopefully she does come back in it =)

Well ya know it's kinda fun to go against the flow......but really just wait just you all wait!


She's gonna kick the badies A$$e$

Yea,we haven seen konan in action at alll,But now since Nagato has died too, she is the leader of Amegakure rite?
If yes,that is a pretty powerful position to be in...n Naruto seems to have alot of allies now...Kazekage is his friend...
n now Amegakure is also his ally...wonder if Naruto's name is in here...how would he fare against the Akatsukis...
My take would be he could beat everyone,except of course Itachi....Itachi on his prime would stil beat him i guess...
The thing is we have seen Itachi plenty of times, but from Zetsu told,Itachi was much better before,so just imagine...
n If Madara is the strongest villain,n he knows about Itachi...y didnt he take Itachi out earlier?

Who voted for Kakuzu o_O?

^^ I was wondering the same thing?

I totally would have Voted for Kakusu <3

But I voted for Konan instead.

Looks like most of us agree tat Itachi is the next most powerful member...So how will he fare against Pain?Will he be able to put a hell of a fight?can he win?

Itachi is the realest and meanest in the art of war.
Shame he had to die from some random stuff.

But in the end it is the human in us that brings
out our weaknesses.
That is why immortality belongs to the legends.
Only in name.

Word


Konan still kicks A$$

She is the stongest

Voted for Kisame....he is a Monster with copious quantities of Chakra...his Suiton Jutsus are awesome

Itachi...beating Pain XD I don't think so

Yeah Itachis genjutsu is useless against Pains Bodys.

I'd like to se him try though ^^