how did kakashi get the Mangekyou Sharingan they show it in a chapter where they are chasing the guy that uses the clay as bombs. i thought you had to kill your best friend for that

The best information i've heard of this, is that, Obito died saving Kakashi. therefor, it would cause Kakashi to unlock the Mangekyou. The arguement against that, is, You have to kill your closest friend, wich wouldn't count, since obito died in veign saving kakashi. Unless Shonen Jump is hiding something from us, then there is no truth as to How he unlocked it.

He doesn't have the Mangekyo Sharingan.

Perhaps, he only made a new version of his own Sharingan that LOOKED like Mangekyou? -_-

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chances are there is more then 1 type of special sharingan.

having itachi's called mangekyo, which i have heard translates to kaleidoscope, makes sense since his sharingan produces extremely powerful genjutsu.

were as kakashi's appears to rip and control dimensional rifts, as he shows by sending the explodeing akatsuki member into another dimension)

perhaps it should be called something else. perhaps it will, but mor ethen likely thier is more then 1 way of obtaining these speacil sharingans.

itachi's is genjutsu, kakshi's looks like ninjutsu, so perhaps sasuke will obtain 1 for taijutsu. this we will have to see in the future...

i was thinking about orbito its true that kakashi didnt kill him but kakashi thinks he died because he was a bad team leader. so kakashi thinks he indrectly killed orbito maybe that could be it

Yeah I think so, I mean if Kakashi had developed a new Mangekyou-like Sharingan I think he would've called it something else.. I think.

as noodle said i also agree that kakashi does not have it.the sharigan he has is only a modified one

me and my friend think, that Obito is still alive as Toobi. So...the left eye of Obito is in Kakashi's eye...looks like they are connected. If so...Obito killed a friend and gained mangekyou for his right and left eye..but left is in Kakashi's head .. looks like sharingan eyes are connected even they are in different countries. But it's just only our thinkings..but who know? I just love that ....

yea well kakashi is a copy ninja hey maybe im just saying might have been

Yea, he could have copied it from Itachi or something. It might be a little far fetched, but it may be possible.

The other thing is that maybe you dont have to kill your closest friend to get the Mangekyou. It may be one way of getting it, but there may also be others. Just because Itachi said it doesnt mean that it is the only way to obtain it.

Its an overrated technique anyways. Everyone thinks its "OMG amzing!!", but its just not that interesting. Its like a cop-out.

its said that kakashi's best friend is obito and obito is already dead so kakashi has the potential to develop mangekyou sharingan.

no matter obito is really dead or not, in kakashi;s mind he is already dead.

personally i think obito is already dead. tobi is not obito!

no kakashi couldn't have copied the mange from Itachi bc the Sharingan can not copy bloodline trait.

There might be more than one way to obtain the mange and kakashi found out how to obtain it another way

Or hes a d'ck

He must of just got it since he didn't use it before

true that he could not copy bloodline trait, but i think the sharingan is a bloodline trait but mangekyou sharingan is a sharingan technique, not a bloodline trait rite..?

In order to get the Mangekyou Sharingan, you have to kill your best friend YOURSELF.

I have never read the manga, and I don't ever intent to. However, Itachi used his Mangekyou Sharingan against Sasuke and Kakashi by sending them into another dimension. He says this himself. Therefore, if what somebody above said is true that Kakashi sent Deidara (I think), the clay guy, into another dimension, then they must be very similar.

As for how Kakashi got it. I never read Kakashi Gaiden, so I'm not positive. However, I'm pretty sure that Obito did NOT have the level Sharingan that Kakashi has had since the start of the anime. From what I've heard, and I may be wrong, Obito had just awakened his Sharingan when it was given to Kakashi. If this is true, then it is possible for Kakashi to "evolve" his Sharingan himself. Also, this means that Kakashi received his Mangekyou Sharingan later on, and most likely in the years that Naruto was away, since Kakashi did not know what the Mangekyou Sharingan was when it was used against him by Itachi. Kakashi obviously didn't kill his best friend. This leaves two possibilities. Either there is a different way of obtaining the Mangekyou Sharingan other than killing a best friend, or he feels responsible for the death of someone close to him. My best guess would be the loss of Sasuke, but that's complete speculation and most likely completely wrong, as it is very far-fetched.

lol

let's stop guessing.


he can't copy it. it's a kekki genkai.


wrong. if he had mangekyou sharingan, he would have used it already. one very coherent situation was against itachi.


no one can copy any techniques created by someone through a kekki genkai


sasuke's not his best friend and he's not dead.

kakashi got his mangekyou sharingan through an unknown reason. it's like at the beginning of naruto when we were all asking how kakashi got his sharingan in the first place. also note that kakashi's mangekyou is different from itachi's. it seems less 'evil' in a sense thus kakashi might have gotten it through an ignored or unknown method.

I think either kakashi copied with his sharingan I think he can even if it is an kekkai genkai kakashi got the same eye in his eyehole so he can copied or either itatchi was wrong about the way to get the mangekyou sharingan and kakashi found an other way in that case sasuke was really stupid to leave konoha maybe he would have gotten the mangekyou sharingan just like kakashi.

right. got it

Maybe he got it thru kinndnes or a good died

personel thought : obitos death unlock's his m,sharingan but he dosent now how to youse it all the time

humm ive been thinkin lately who ever said that the only way 2 get amngekyo sharingan was 2 kill ur closest freind itachi right coz he didnt have a alteria motive in mind for keeping sauske alive it could be that he or the person that told him about mangekiyo sharinga (leader of atkutski probably) or both of them? wanted sauske 2 achive it this way it could be that u achive diverent abilitys in different ways ie kakashi just traind a lot for it?

how bout this for a theory itachi didnt even kill that guy (his best freind) they just feinted his death and dumped a fake body (this would make it possiable that together they achived 2 different types of mangekiyo sharingan and need a third which coul only be got by killing ur closest freind (which they didnt feel like doing?) so the planned on making sauske dissturebed enough 2 do it for them. <<this theory works best if you assume that when all 3 mangekiyo sharingan eyes are together then something awsome happens (like the reserection of the bird thingy err see this theory ' http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=106576 '

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humm ive been thinkin lately who ever said that the only way 2 get amngekyo sharingan was 2 kill ur closest freind itachi right coz he didnt have a alteria motive in mind for keeping sauske alive it could be that he or the person that told him about mangekiyo sharinga (leader of atkutski probably) or both of them? wanted sauske 2 achive it this way it could be that u achive diverent abilitys in different ways ie kakashi just traind a lot for it?

how bout this for a theory itachi didnt even kill that guy (his best freind) they just feinted his death and dumped a fake body (this would make it possiable that together they achived 2 different types of mangekiyo sharingan and need a third which coul only be got by killing ur closest freind (which they didnt feel like doing?) so the planned on making sauske dissturebed enough 2 do it for them. <<this theory works best if you assume that when all 3 mangekiyo sharingan eyes are together then something awsome happens (like the reserection of the bird thingy err see this theory ' http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=106576 'hink bhe did kill his best friend
becaus the other uchias would see the fake with ther sharingan eyes

kakashi's mangekyou in my opinion is somewhat different from itachi's. this maybe is because kakashi is not an uchiha, that is why his sharingan reacted in a different manner.

im not really sure if sasuke achieved mangekyou after his fight with naruto (1 tail release), coz his sharingan looks entirely different, more like of a mangekyou, but sasuke's eyes then is almost similar to that of itachi.

so, im guessing that since kakashi is not pure uchiha, his mangekyou evolved in a different manner, and also looks different.

from how kakashi got it, that i don't have any idea...

Haha ... Nice

there has got to be more than one way

but would they as far as i remember the sharingan only see's through techniques if itachi *being a member of the abanu* had medicaly altered a body to make it look like his freind really well and set the circumstances so that his mate could leave the village with out any questions and set up atkutski *check the manga closely there are pics of the leader (one refered 2 as 4th) with sharingan* then itachi would follow him later? the circumstances may have been so obviouse that they didnt bother investigating the body that deeply?

he was not a medical ninja and they would still see it

Come to think of this topic, didnt Kakashi tried to tell Naruto and Sakura (after they got the bells from him), that he is still young and was developing a 'new technique', but both dissed his words for Ichiraku Ramen instead......
So it must have meant (I suppose) that his Mangekyou Sharingan is not the same as Itachi's at all, coz it comes from training and his 'genius methods'. In other words, a new kind of Mangekyou.
That can be expected from Kakashi since he is the son of the genius White Fang afterall....
Just my 2 cents...

Well, it would be cool that Tobi is Obito and Tobi killed his friend and you know the rest..
Seriously it'll be NICE,

I don't really think that Tobi "killed his best friend" & "got the mangekyou sharingan so Kakashi got it too", cuz as far as I can think, Kakashi is still his closest friend *I believe Tobi is Obito*.
Then, I believe more in 2 of the theories than the others..

First, all this talk about kekkai genkai... Kakashi isn't an Uchiha, and yes, he got Obito's sharingan, but it was only one eye, maybe it has something to do with that? But I don't think there are other ways to get the mangekyou sharingan..
*edit:
& I'm watching eps 82 now, & 8:30 Itachi says.. "But your body is not an Uchiha body, which the eye needs to work best."

Second, this confusing-stuff about Sasuke was a pretty good theory. Maybe Kakashi found out the other way to get the mangekyou sharingan but didn't realize it was the only way.

my idea is that there a different ways to get the mangekyo sharingan and depending on which way you use to get the mangekyo you will get a different version of the mangekyo. It also may be due to that kakashi is not a uchiha so win he's feeling that its fault for obito's death it caused him to get a different mangekyo cuz he doesnt hav uchiha

lol

in my opinion it might be another tpye of sharingan because
kakashis sharing is diferent than itachis
i might be a version of mangekyou that you dont need to kill your best friend i think

Its unknown

kakashi's is a different type, making different ways in obtaining it

Remember in a earlier espisode , when Kakashi told Sasuke that they had alot in common

i have a quick question...

how many tomoe does obito's sharingan have? i dont know, but i think it wasn't 3 during the time they extracted his eye from him and gave it to kakashi (as far as i remember, obito's other eye was smashed, so there's no way it can achieve mangekyo even if he is still alive)

i remember itachi saying, you have to do something special, or do an oath for yourself to develop mangekyo. maybe kakashi did something for himself (i remembered kurapika kept a promise to himself that he will not use his chain nen to non-ryodan members, if he violates it, it would kill him. hunter x hunter) maybe this is just another way of putting things for kakashi...

or maybe he's a half breed uchiha eh?

It had 2 tomoes when kakashi got it from obito

@siopawman

Itachi said that the only way to get sharingan is to kill your best friend has anyone ever thought that he was just trying to get sasuke to kill naruto. Think about it it hasent been confirmed (other than what Itachi said) that killing your friend is the only way to get the mangekyo sharingan. They want naruto dead and the want the kuubi so maybe it makes since to tell sasuke that the only way to get more power is to kill your best friend (naruto). Kakashi DOES have the mangekyo sharingan that fact has been confirmed. how he developed it is still a mistery. It has also been confirmed that there is more than one kind of sharingan.
( shino is da man)

its possible that you only have to watch your friend die, so killing him would be an obvious way, but not essential. Kakashi saw obito die.

I thought that an Uchiha had to go through a Great Hardship or Great Sacrifice to get the Mangekyo Sharingan with examples being: heavy grieving/guilt(Like killing someone close to you or blaming yourself for someones death), extreme emotional stress, or excessive training that takes a large toll on your body in turn taking a long time to finish but with results that are worth it in the end! Think about those examples and see why Itachi chose to kill Shisui instead of the other options(It was easier to kill your best friend than any of the others)! ^w^

In chapter 307, Sasuke announces that he opened it without killing his best friend (Naruto).

"I didn't want to follow his directions, on how to acquire more power" - Sasuke

So there's another way, other than killing your best friend.

How does killing your closest friend give you the mangekyo sharingan? I m thinking kakashi developed it himself, and the version that itachi have, which looks completely different than kakashi's. With itachi's version, why do you have to kill your closest friend? and plus, how do you define closest? maybe there is two or more? do you kill all of them? or what if you don't have friends? then how do they possess it even if they have to potential? there is just too many questions here...

I have 4 theories and they all have strong arguments:

1 - obito died because of kakashi and that was enough. This would imply that if Obito didnt done nothing to save kakashi from the stones he could have got mangeykou as well

2 - kakashi feeling guilty for obito's death, at the point of think it was all his fault

3 - he copyied from itachi when hited by tsukomi. Although this appears to be unlikely we have already seen that normal sharingan can get the better over mangeykou in some special case

4 - he get in some other unknown way, perhaps intense chackra concentration in the sharingan

firstly it can not be copied secondly there is no proof that the normal sharingan can defeat ms and thirdly orbito and kakashi were friends and lastly kakashi is not an uchia

Wait to see Sasugay kicking Itachi's a** and you get concrete proof that normal sharingan can beat MS
And about kakashi doesnt being a uchiha I guess that this only can be used to explain why he get 1 month in bed after using mangeykou. At least we know, non-uchiha sharingan user never happened before.
Mmmm, but it appears that kakashi's chackra is always rising. See first battle with Zabuza and when he fought Kazuzu:
Dont get surprised if kakashi comes with 10x a day MS and does not fall in bed after this.

looking forward to all of that and also i was just wondering what will happen should naruto end up having the sharingan as well, whose is irrelevant, since he does have kyuubi inside of him