Some guys believe that talent is the key factor to success especially in the field of music and arts, while others are saying that Hard work is more important.

How about you? What do you think is the key towards success and why?

(please dont answer both.. coze we wont be debating with that answer)

hard work is key factor, because even if u have talent you need to work hard to get better.

And say if u have no talent. you still work hard to get better.

Thats why hard work is a major key factor.

Just to get the debate rolling... can you actually reach success with hardwork before a peron with talent? Let us assume, the "talented" guy uses less effort than the "hard working" guy.

well talent is a factor when comparing skills. Still i think if you try hard enough you can suppase those that have talent

People with talent tend to slack of in what they are doing because they think they are superiour.

And people with that work hard have the determination to get to point b to point a

Thats is why people that try harder are more likely to succed.

Good point. But does this apply to professions? I mean.. can somebody with a ugly voice beat some one with a beautiful voice even with years of hard work? (voice in this case is a talent...)

The key word with that is time. It also depends on the person.

Let's say the hard working guy is trying to get better at something than the talented guy. If the hard working guy really sucks at whatever he's trying to accomplish (for me, that's drawing ), he'll have to spend day after day hour after hour improving, when the talented guy just yawns through it. So yeah, if you just work on it a lot, you can be the best.

i say hard work ^^ even if you have the talent but dont have the dedication to do that something,well,you wont get anything in the end no? it all goes to determination~

"born to be good, train to be great"
hard working (and a bit luck) is the key factor of succes.

I concur with WHM on that one,
I've done a lot of hard work, but Ill say that there others out there work harder than I do.

Talent is more like an additional bonus that increases the output of Hard Work.

they work together, but IMO Hard work is the winner!

I guess everybody seems to point out hardwork outweights talent in order to succeed. Generally speaking.. this is true. But is it ALWAYS true?

For example, in basketball... "you can't teach height and height is might in basketball" (like Yao Ming).

Hmm in most cases i'd say hard work, but there are some instances where no matter how hard you work cannot make up for a special talent.

Just like some people have learning dis-abilites some people have a hieghtened sense of learning that can't be taught or learned through conventional means.

I think of talent as a limit of potential while hardwork determines how far you actually get.

so for my answere. i chooooooose ... hardwork cause talent can easily be sqwandered while hardwork rarely can.

i say hard work .... like Lee says ... hard work can overcome any talent (or something like that )

If i put a 6'9" guy against a way smaller guy who only got his hard work in a one on one, is still think the guy with hard work can beat the crap outta the tall fella. The skill of the hard working guy can make the other go

Yes, if there a vast difference in effort. Remember, it almost take the short guy 2-3 steps for a tall guy's one step. Ofcourse, if the tall guy just stand around.. he will be beaten.

However, if he actually plays with the smaller guy given his greater height and other physical abilities even with less effort... there is a good chance he will win. Smaller guys are generally faster but are also easier to block(especially in half court matches... where the "space" to move is actually small). Tall guys are generally slower but can shoot over small guys (therefore half court matches are to their advantage).

Also, let us look at it in the stand point of the basketball being a team sport. Being tall generally means you are harder to defend (especially if you are 7ft and up), since you will be standing near the hoop (playing the center position, more likely) and shooting again over your defender. Being small.. it is true.. you can run around the court.. but with five people to avoid.. it wont be easy to shoot (lay-up)that much. A agruement would be the short guy could take outside shots, but the percentage of a outside shot is way lower than a inside shot.

hard work. even if you have talent but you dont work hard then what's the point? if you dont have talent then work harder. if you have talent and you work hard, then that's great.

as much as i want to say talent its hardwork. Someone who works hard can surpass someone who just haves talent.

hard work. Cos rock lee is awesome, but I think he should be able to learn some Ninja techniques. Then he would be the best fighter ever. Drunken Boxing style rocks!

where did rock lee come into play. haha. we're just talkin bout talent and hard work in general.

But yeh it all depends on situation if your lookin at professions cuz say you have neat hand writting but u write slow. compared to that, people that write much faster than you have more advantage cuz they worked harder to produce more words.

For me it was hard work i wasnt originally a good artist i practice alot and look how good my artwork is

see here is another example that hard work prevails over those with talent. If you work really hard on something you believe then it becomes talent so in a way its similar, but hard work is the root.

talent and hard work need to combined together

Thats where the hard work comes in, dude. The small guy has to practice the things he can do instead of waisting his times trying to do the impossible (like dunking orso). If the small guy just trains on the outside shot every day, he'll one day have a shooting percentage of 99% orso. Thus he can easily beat the tall guy, coz of hard work.
There are other things he can train also tho.

^^ Lol. I think it is near impossible to shoot 99% from outside. True, spending time to practice outside shots will improve your shooting percentage but I still believe taking inside shots will yield higher percentage (assuming their is not a vast difference in training).

I think my point will be proven by the statistics offered in NBA and other major basketball league. By simply averaging the shooting percentage of the centers against the shooting guards/point guards, I think you will find that the tall guys have higher shooting percentage simply because it is easier to shoot inside.

The debate is about talent vs hard work.
In this example:
talent = being tall
hard work = training for outside shot (or anything else, like dribbling)
my point: hard work owns talent

NBA has b-ballplayers who are both talented and work hard, its not what we are debating about.

True, in nba both talent and hardwork is required. I won't say who works harder than the others since i can't.

But given that nba players have both and the taller players still having better shooting percentage (assuming equal effort or hardwork but unequal talent on all players). This supports, thus, my point that some times having talent while giving LESS effort (not no effort) could yield better results than hardwork alone.

Ok cool.
Still i stick with hard work. Thats just my silly opinion

Actually I also stick with hardwork, I sincerely believe I lack talent (compare to others). However, i do respect that their are fields where having pure talent can offer a very very large advantage.

Yeah, i have to agree to that too.
Met a guy today, who had a terrible hoarse voice (like what you have before doing *ahem*, but he had it all the time even after coughing or ahem-ing). He was born that way and it couldnt be cured. No matter how hard he tries/works he'll never become a good singer or tv presentor orso. So yeah, sometimes talent does own hard work.

well if ti can has to do with something cannot change then it will have to be talent.

Quite true. *nods in agreement*

I'd say hard work.. But talent kinda makes the work easier..in a way, don't you think so? Like, for an example, maths..people with the talent to understand concepts and stuff can get their maths question done rather quickly, compared to the ones who understands methods in a slower pace. But through hard, they experience more, I guess.

talent is only 5 percent of the way u need hard work to complete the remain 95 percent. for some ppl with a very high talent ability thats make them need hard work more less but again its impossible to reach the goal without hard work.

hard work itself is already a talent. Not many people can be so hardworking all the time...

Muhahaha i was waitig for someone to answer that LOL Thank you star_of_light for making my day

I believe hardwork is rather more of a habit than a talent. It takes consistent practice rather than in-born.

I don't believe hardworking people develop that ability when they were born. Rather, they build it by practicing it everyday until they die.

It's been studied that basketball players who practice 500-2000 shots a day have increased their skill greatly. They say that shooting, and pass, and dribbling become more and more automatic afters months of practice. I'm sure a lot of basketball players weren't that good when they were little, but have become amazingly great with years of playing. Hardwork IMO

You always needed hardwork before you get talented

I was once the slowest person on my track team. I was once called a loser. Hardwork makes all the difference.

I believe hard work out weighs talent.

hard work i believe with this you can deffinatly be succesfull anywhere

the reason why i like hard work so much is because am the least talented in everything so i always work hard to be good in whatever i do.

Hard work. There are many people with talent that get no where because they abuse time.

There are some things that require talent, like singing, but for the most part, hard work is more useful in getting ahead. Although talent is useful, in the long run, hard work would be more useful.

hard work is how u get a talent. it only depends on how hard u work in order to get a talent

since i must choose i say hard work equals success

they are both important

HARDWORK!!!
everyone has the talent and if you will not work ward with your talent definitely you will not succeed at optimum level....

Ivan got a real good answer there^

Hardwork. Without hardwork you'll just be very lazy and won't be doing anything (Hey, sounds like me!)

yeah like they^^ said talent is great
but if you cant put it to use through work it is useless

Being talented=hard work.

You might say,"but being talented means less work for them because it's easy for someone to lets say...draw."

Ha! No. What do you think got someone who's an artist who you think is talented at? By hard work. A talent is a gift, but you have to work hard to be able to be successful. That goes with sports, writing, martial, and everything else.

People I've spoken to say they don't have any talents, but then again, they never tried everything, which is hard work. If you don't try things, then how would you know if you're talented or not? I believe everyone on this planet is talented.