Well I just had a huge disruption within a site that I am a mod in. And I just want to say and remind ppl here something important because this is the only other site I visit frequently. I know this has been explained in other topics and even the rules and such.



When we first joined this site it was to discuss about Naruto and other mangas. It wasn't to bash or make a fool of other fellow members. When you join a site to discuss about topics that we all enjoy, it's for that reason, to talk amongst each other about it. Sometimes we learn from one another, and sometimes we just think to ourselves its plain ridiculous.

Theirs no need to bash or say that person is an idiot or something alike. We are all a unique individual in our own way. These sites are made so ppl with the same interest can discuss about it. It makes it easier for ppl because you can find ppl across the world, so we should all appreciate the fcat that these sites exist. If you see someone bash or flame another fellow member, whether they be a mod or a member, report them. In our site we had a huge uproar between a member and a mod and since both of them thought they were the Sh***, I suggested to ban both.

It's the internet, so you will find ppl that will downgrade others to make themselves feel better when in real life they aren't top dog. I said to them both, I could've said to them both that I can kicked their butts 2,013 different ways till Sunday, but out of respect and maturity I didn't because I saw them both as equal and fellow members. Even if one was a mod, he abused his position and was making ppl feel like they were imbeciles.


Anyhow, to make this shorter, I just wanted to say that, joining a site with thousands of other ppl that share the same interests is much like a family. We don't have to agree with others views on topics. But if you don't say so in a respective way. Explain why you don't agree in a respectful way. Much like how you would want to be respected.

I apologize for this. If a mod sees that this is not needed, please delete or close. I just care for this site as much as I care for the one I mod for because its the first and only site that refers to manga and Naruto specifically that I'm a a part of. I just felt like I needed to say this...Plus I needed to vent and my punching bags are broken...again.

This is exactly how I feel. Beautifully said, Akechi. Everyone should just chill out and get along. I'm not saying you have to love everyone on here, because there's bound to be that one person you just can't stand. Take a second, breathe and let it go. You have a problem talk it out with that person. (When I say talk I don't mean flame or bash. O_o)

No, Akechi, I think people need to see this. Specially a few people. Not naming anyone, you know who you are.

Thank you Rangiku. I know you and me bumped heads at one time, but it was all a complete misunderstanding. I respect your views in life because like I said before in that moment, I see you as a fellow member....No one has really anything to gain by downgrading another on the internet, more importantly in life period. I mean if someone is having a bad day or something and feels better to bring someone else down on the internet, it's really that person doing the downgrading that is bringing themselves further down.


I remember in High school, a guy in the wresting team thought he was hot stuff and since I wasn't in the same crowd as him he decided to push me around. Well as one of my senseis shared with me, "let the opponent defeat themselves first by allowing their minds fool and overtake their judgment". I did so, since he proceeded and I ignored and laughed, that upset him even more ( I could tell). Few seconds later he was on the floor and wondering how he got their. Well I helped him up and offered him a soda from the machine.

From that moment on he became my friend. See instead of solving the situation with even more hate, I retaliated with an open mind and from that it enlighten his thoughts and wondered, "whats the point?". See he would pick on ppl who were in special ed classes and would call them dumb asses. When really I knew that he was just exhaling the very words that his father or someone important to him in his life would call him.


Anyhow, I'll stop here by saying we are all different worlds inside. But one cannot grow/develop if they do not allow themselves to mentally explore different worlds with an open mind. But within families and sites like these because this is a family, a team, a brother/sister hood of ppl who united to share their ideas within a subject they admire..You have to dive in not just with an open mind, but with an open heart as well.

Nicely said Mitsu =3

I agree Arguing with people can lead them dwn the road of leaving this haven

I ws just in a fight...you could say..not prett thousnd dead.....but beyond that Two mods are for this so there is no wayi's going to be closed or deleted.....I will not let such rubbish take place X3

This situations happens a lot on forums, was there anyone you specifically directed this post to? Would be great if we could discuss it on the mod forum in that case!

@R_M
"Not naming anyone, you know who you are."

I wanna know who the people are. I felt that i somehow downgraded infernum, but i've already explained with all my respect what i actually meant.(@ grpahic showoff section)
I'm mostly ghostmodding nowadays anyways o.o

I'm not completely sure I should be telling you. Really ZF is the one I think should tell you. I was just there to be nice. Go check the closed topic in the Forum Games, Naruto. You'll know I'm talking about.

Not only that, but even AFTER he became mod they kept on attacking him. I personally thought, that wasn't mod like, but I guess I can't really say anything. *shrug*

Yes and after that I felt like leaving this place....but I got over it.....Really I see if even Mods can't handle questions like How do you become a Mod' and complain about me whining......not Mod like I mean grow up people whining..no Mitsu is right.......

I have the perfect song for you ui890 X3 Respect -by- Tina Turner

I'm not affraid to stick up for myself....but I shouldn't have to.........I should really be friends with you people.....but i guess not, and that's fin by me ..........thank you Nonye, And you do have a say in this matter =3

There ya go, Naruto.

No, no. I don't honestly. Also like I said. There's going to be someone that you just can't get along with, but talk it out. Don't bash out on that person. What does that accomplish?

.......it acomplishes........everything! XD no actally nothing....either that or ignore that person......I'm usually pretty laid back and to silly for most people to handle it =3

I apologize for not clarifying that. But no it wasn't directed to anyone here specifically. I just had a rough time on a site that I am a mod in and just need to vent it out and I mentioned that my punching bags were broken ( another $400 ) ...Like I said I care for this site just as much because it's the only site that I joined that refers to manga and Naruto. So I thought I should remind all members here. I know I'm not a mod here but like I said in a different thread, not me or anyone else needs to be a mod to help take care of a site that they are a part of.


But it was handled. We ended up banning both who were causing the trouble and one of them was a mod. But he seemed he was going on a power trip. I hope that is not the case here and if I brought something up, I had no idea and I apologize.

Beautifully said Mitsu. In fact I'm half tempted to pin this topic because in all actuality this happens a lot on forums. It was also very nice of you to put your anger into more productive terms =] But sadly, like in real life, some people won't change and will not head your advice as well as others.

I'm half certain that this topic will probably cause something down the road lol. Maybe like a year from now but it will.

Eh, i wouldnt worry about it, when Triva sees this topic, he'll probably mod you anyway

Thx Hotagi.


@Infernum


lol. I believe we are good with the mods we have now TBH.


Anyhow, I really don't want to bring up any hostility between anyone with this. If that were to happen I'll just ban myself by not coming here anymore because it wasn't my intention to do so. Just wanted to bring out that we can debate and whatnot but in a respectful and mature way. I mean it's good to disagree and have debates with others. It's part of growing. Just appreciate sites like NC because it gives you the opportunity to share, discuss, learn from others across the world on topics within a subject we all enjoy and others as well without having to $500 -1 grand for a plane ticket.

Okay now i'm pissed.
I followed the rules and took it to PM!

!@#$%^!
And I have already resolved the matter and I'm already fine

No use explaining myself.

Apparently I have to go listen to Tina Turner's Respect.

I'm gonna keep my cynical and non-cynical thoughts to myself important or not,
otherwise people will tell me to listen to some song like "Go F Yourself and Get Lost".

Just a thought ^^ or you can listen to Private Dancer by Tina Turner Or River low Moutian high..........

I will not bother you ay longer....okie =3

Stop whining about it, this is the thread where we should try to resolve our flaws, try to do something to prove yourself instead.

__

@ ZF
These kind of comments are completely unnecessary, if you wanna talk about music recommendation you know that we actually have a music forum.

Calm down, and

Triva is watching, impress me I mode you simple as that. I am not telling you how to impress me, but if you show me you can handle the job then you’re a mod. That what excalty i told Zetsu.

This is the internet, what do you expect? Sanity?

-Begins to juggle.- Impressed?

._. No offense Triva but that's kind of a bad way to look at it.

To impress someone is one thing, to be fit for the job is another. Zetsu pretty much admitted he was reporting topics because he was told it'd get him closer to being a mod. Ui said he was bugging to be a mod since he first joined NC. So, does he just want the status of the mod. Or did he want to help the site?

Zetsu has made a few as he calls them "newbie" mistakes. Moving the picture comment thread to Naruto General, threatening a member through PM, then when there's the chance of another mod pulling him about it, he said it was a joke and the member only took it as a threat. Instead of doing things and potentially making "newbie" mistakes, he should have seeked guidance from an older, more experienced mod. And if he has any doubts or questions, seek a mod, or better, you, Triva.

Now, this isn't meant to be a dig at Zetsu, I'm just pointing out the flaw of modding someone for the reason they impress you. Zetsu being the first person that comes to mind, seeing as he has recently been modded and made mistakes. Mistakes that could easily have been avoided.

Ahh i see what you mean. I might just go back to PP system. Send me a pm why you want to be a mod and what you can do for NC. Also if your on good terms with the NC members. I am looking for people that are just doing things byond my expectation from my other mod. Show me this and you will have a good chance of being a mod. I didn't told him to send in report he just did it. which helped out some of the mod. Also he is on trial.

O_O'

On.....trail ................ T_T Doesn't everyone make mistakes..........am I that bad?

if it had been discussed with the rest of the mods, like it was in the days Piper was in charge...well, there would have been a lot more votes against than for making you a mod

If only for the reason that your spam and unreasonable sig requests create more work for us, than your reports helped

I've stopped spamming.......and what do ya mean by the sig thing?????

I haven't spammed on perpose for a long time.

Errrrr I didn't mean it like that....you should know what I mean

When I first joined.....

I know.....not a lot of mods like me -__-

I acknowledge your statement and understand. But I believe, just because its the internet doesn't mean it gives you or anyone else a reason to downgrade another fellow member of the very site you both share to visit. I know that its not even close to a serious matter like in the outside world, but lets say for example everyone got along and understood each other, but in the internet someone says something to another that was offensive...well it would ruin everything else.

Besides I don't believe Sanity and Insanity. Those are just words for humankind to use to label and profile things in this world. Insanity and sanity can only be judged by the eyes of the beholder.

Anyhow. Lets say hypothetically their was a member who was going through tough times in his/her life. And visits a site that he/she enjoys. But someone from that site, judges them by their post and ridicules them and downgrades them. What if that person who was being put down couldn't handle their emotions in that very moment and decides to take either take their own life or does something else that would harm another because of anger and whatever other feeling they are going through.

As you say this is the internet, I don't know who they are in life and neither do they know me. unless we physically hang out with each other in the outside world. You join a site like this one, to increase the knowledge you have about certain things you enjoy and share your idea with others from around the world on the same topic..like Naruto for example.

That's why I don't take this site for granted because it gives me that opportunity.

Anyhow, on the site that I am a mod in I've had disagreements with other mods because they thought because they are a mod that they can say and do what they please. I've explained to them their is no reason for them to make others feel down about themselves or anger them. Why???what is the purpose??? One person tells me because its a free country and I said I agree but just like in the real world, their are rules you must go by. Like every site, their are rules not to "Flame" and to respect other members. These same rules apply outside the internet.

Just because you don't see the person doesn't mean that it's alright to bad mouth them. You don't know who they are nor do they know you. You cannot judge one person by what they say on the internet.


@Triva

I agree with Danny. To impress and to be fit for the job are two different things. I strongly believe that to be made a mod should be done by voting within the mod/admin circle. And I'll say it again. As I tell the members on the site I'm a mod in, you don't need to be a mod to help the very site you are a part of. The only difference between a mod and a regular member, is that one can move, delete, edit, close other members posts. But as a regular member, you can report and help the mods do their job.

I also said to be a mod it will requires dedication, time, and responsibility.


Besides like I said before, this site is good with the mods we have now. Rangiku is about to leave to settle her priorities in life and Zetsu believes in himself that he can fulfill the job.

*Tears of happiness*

God Mitsu.....Your such a good speaker.....and I acknowledge you for that. Knowing what is right and wrong. You Bring peace to this site making people understand the greatness of this site........without it we would never have met any one on here.....made friends have fun......this site is like a gift....we should not abuse what we have. ^^

You know why I posted that? Because I had nothing else to stay on topic. While I do agree that we shouldn't be offensive, it is the Internet, you really cannot control it. You can to an extent, but there are those who will attempt to bend those rules. It's a fine line. I do agree that order is good. But I also agree that with order, comes disorder. And those who do not agree with the rules and regulations of places will attempt to fight it.

And I also agree that Triva's means of choosing mods was not the best. While it has it's fine points, simply impressing him isn't as specific as it should be. Perhaps if the logic was more ironclad, it may work. But still, it's a fine line.

I really don't see why you say what you do like I'm the one that's insulting people. "You or anyone else" Wouldn't "anyone" be a better word? I kinda feel like you're saying that I have been attacking people. And that is not true.

I also don't agree with something else you say. "Zetsu believes in himself that he can fulfill the job." Why does what he believe pertain to how he does the job? I can 'believe' I'm the king of the world. That doesn't make it happen, does it?

Not meaning to try to argue, I'm just trying to point out a few flaws in what I see.

I apologize Ninja. I didn't mean you per se. I just meant it as in general, and I agree, "anyone" would've been a better word to use. I should've been more discreet. And what I meant by saying zetsu "believes in himself", I meant he feels he can do the job well and is the right person for it. I would like to add that believing you can be a mod for a site is more realistic than believing you can be king of the world TBH, but that's not what I meant. And for those who don't abide to this sites rules or any other site, shouldn't be here/there in the first place. People join sites that gives you privileges to share, discuss, and debate (in a respectful way) about certain topics with other people across the world. Not to start "flamewars" and make other fellow members seem idiotic.

Again my apologies for not being more discreet in my previous post. Just like everyone else on this site, I have nothing but respect for you as a fellow manga reader.

There's a difference between believing in, and abiding by. I could abide by something, but not believe it. Like parent's who force their religion on their kids. Kids who abide by parent's regulation, but do not believe in it. What I'm trying to say is that just because someone follows rules, it doesn't mean they believe them. And given the chance, they will either: A. Begin flaming, insulting the rule and saying why a rule is bad, or B. Calmly discuss their opinion and try to resolve the problem.

I still don't think simply believing in himself will make him a better mod. Him believing in himself did not stop him from pming me and threatening me for a joke.

*Claps*

Both points are reasonable I respect both of you for posting what you agree and disagree with then fixing the problem.......We need more of that on here.......

And Ninja Do you think we can fix our problems and become.......oh I don't know people who treat each other nicly?

Not saying You or I don't but i'm saying could we like work out some kind of friends ship here?

I understand what you are saying. Especially in the adolescence stage in life, young adults tend to rebel against their parents and other forms of authority because they see themselves as their own authority. Even some adults my age and older tend to act this way. Its the sad truth. But as you say they have choices, we all do. We made a choice to join this site so why not follow the sites rules. We all have something in common. We all joined this site for either an interest in naruto or other mangas. Why not enjoy it and discuss about it with others here that enjoy the same thing.


About the Zetsu situation I have no idea what is going on between the two of you. In fact this is the first I hear of it. Like i told Nonye, I posted this topic because I had a situation in my site and I had to vent about it and wanted to express on how I feel about the situation. Did it there and here. Because I care for the two sites and appreciate them. I will admit it was a fault of mine to post about it here as well. I should not have done so.

But I will say, Whatever caused this situation between the both of you, don't allow it to ruin your experience here. You say it was a joke (whatever it was that you said) if so, then just apologize for even saying something that he must have taken wrong. And for him to apologize to you for threatening. Their is no need to threaten anyone here. Like I said, everyone here is different and no one knows each other entirely. We might say certain things as a joke, but the person we are directing it to could take it in a different way. I guess we just have to think before we speak. But like I said their is no need to threaten anyone, he should've discussed with you in a respectful matter that it wasn't right what you said and that he took it wrong.

We are all a family here. A brethren of manga readers and anime viewers. You guys have that same liking.


EDIT: Just saw zetsus post. Sorry I'm slow I'm also attending my other site in a different tab lol. Anyhow, that's what I'm talking about.

I've no reason to apologize to him. It was an obvious joke. I posted it in the "Start a rumor about the person above you" thread.

Warning, Sarcasm ahead.

People who treat each other nicly? I've never heard of that adverb. Please define it.

And now he wants to build a ship for friends with me? I don't know whether to be confused, or take up the offer. A boat would be pretty useful.

"Your such a good speaker" His what?

Perpose? I really have no idea here.

You also abuse your shift key way too much. Give it a break.

Warning, sarcasm over.

The point was that was just to show you, that as a serious RPer(I think you are) you make a lot of common mistakes. Not trying to be an arse here. Just pointing things out.

Honestly, I laughed when I saw friends ship. But anyways. I have no problem with you Zetsu. You may have gained your modship in a way I don't agree with. And you may not be the best at 'the putting of words together and them coming out'. My only problem is that I never got an apology...at least I don't think so. If you did, then I forgot. I had to recently clear out my messages.

And Mitsu. Your reasons for posting this were right. I don't see any problem with it. -Shrug.- But what do I know? I'm a cat. Why should I care about your humanly problems. I dun give a freak, I'm a cat. ;D

~Meow

I never did......

I Do abuse the shift Key to much...it's an instict.

I am Sorry for threatening you.......I really Went over board with it all I just want to be somewhat friends.....if you don't want to it's okay.

I just Want NC TO be a peaceful place where everyone get's along........mainly you and me ^^

I have to agree with everything said by Akechi so far, its good to know that people such as him are here.(Have fun replacing those punching bags Akechi )

I have no intention to join one and another's side when I say this:
"We should chose mods that are capable of getting the job done"
We shouldnt need to tell the newcomer whats right and whats wrong, asking for help about the mod functions are a totaly different story.

As far as I can see the most hard working one is infernum, but we have to keep in mind that he is 5years older than ZF. I dont want to what you should do ZF but if you want to keep going as a mod you need to grow up, to be mature doesnt necessarily have mean "to be a serious person". Just try to not get caught up on the small thing that teases you. You already showed some matureness when you said sorry on the post above.

I know I do.....I have to be mature....I try...but I'm silly...But I take being a Mod Very Very Seriously I may act like a fool and acting as if i'm oh about....10...but if you can't have fun....then whats the point. But sorry if somethings I say to people who tell me what to do are rude or whatever...But I don't like being told what to do. it bugs me even though It shouldn't.. it does. Just a reminder to everyone ^^ But I will listen and keep my comments to myslef

Not trying to be mean

I'll try my best to be mature........I am trying to make people happy though......I knew this would have been brought up.....But all the Mods are gloomy sometimes.....I'm happy 95% of the time.

I will take your words into consideration though ^^

Oh you people shut up already.
Your long-assed posts that're beating around the bush doesn't seem to solve any problems.

Conclusion:

Not many people likes the fact that Zetsufan is a mod including me, but TAKE IT ALL IN, because he bloody is one already.

Maybe you can suck it up, obey the rules, and forget that he's a mod. If that makes you happier.

I just listen to Aretha Franklin's RESPECT. Sarcasm intended. I'm not in a good mood.

Bottomline is, no fight, no disagreement, just keep your unhappy opinions to yourself.

@ zetsu fan105
I was trying to keep the "i should tell you what to do" voice down cause i didnt want to tell you what to do xD

@ ui890
That's not completely true, ZF is probation mod, triva is actually now considering about his position.
"Bottomline is, no fight, no disagreement, just keep your unhappy opinions to yourself. "
No fight? Sure! No disagreement? Of course we can disagree, it would just be wrong if you couldnt express yourself!
Suggestions + Thoughts = a chance to improve

This wasn't so much about the disagreements over whether Zetsufan should be a mod or not, but more about the High School bullying that is going on in general. Obviously Zetsu is going to have a grow up and begin taking these things in stride, but still there is no reason to throw irrelevant childish insults towards him. Argue, complain and respectfully disagree as much as you want, even de-mod him, but don't make him feel like shit ok?
http://www.narutocommunity.net/forums/Promoting-t26482.html

After reading that, that thread was completely unnecessary. Both Nonye and Hotagi made very good points, and pretty much said what I felt about it.


I can't really say anything else since Zeriah said it perfectly. But I will suggest for the mods that don't like Zetsu being mod, take it up with your superiors here through pm. No need to let the rest of the site know what is going on in the mod circle. Honestly, regular members see this type of childish doings between Mods and they would think, "wow they have immature children as mods". Seriously, mods for any site are suppose to be people who have more responsibility and more respect for others. And are suppose to set the standards for other members to go by. They see you guys flame or making a joke out of someone past post, and they would think to do the same. Causing a chain reaction. As a mod Infernum, you should know that. Instead of feeding into it, as a mod you should have closed it. And before you say or anyone else says, "just because I'm a mod doesn't mean I can't state my opinions". Well you can, but as a mod you do so with respect and more responsibility. You are representing this site. You were chosen as a mod for a reason. And I'm not taking away anything that you've done because I can see that you keep this site clean thoroughly. And for that I respect you.


Anyhow, if anyone disagrees with Zetsu being a mod, well suck it up because it was said that he is on trial atm. But for future reference so that this doesn't happen again, I suggest a voting between all mods and then a trial.


Allow me to put it to you in Naruto terms since this site is mainly about Naruto and other mangas:


Admin = Hokage
Mods = Elite Jounins and Jounins.
Members = Genin, chuunin


On a side note, I'm not taking any sides because within this site their shouldn't be sides. We should be a complete unit. I made this thread for reasons I already stated. I'm not saying we should all agree on everything, that's improbable. I'm just saying to respect each other. Like Hotagi explained, some people come here to get away from the same mess some members are creating here. Remember doing so can spoil it for other members.

First off, 'grats on the mod position Akechi. From one Admin/Mod (Not here, but at a few other places) to another, I believe your outlook on things is one that's needed. 2 of the staff playing up? Just bang their heads together. If they continue, demote them. Your level-headedness when dealing with people will balance out other's hot-headedness in the situation.

Personally, I actually disagree with Zetsu being a mod. For now anyways. Until he becomes more competent. He needs to live through the mistakes and learn from them.

Eh. I'd have to disagree with your ranking though Akechi. Weren't Genin just like pawns? Whereas here, members actually get to have their say in things that happen. Chuunin, I can't remember, but I think they didn't hold much sway on what's happening. Not sure on that though.

Yes yes let's make a list okay

People disagree with my Position: Danny, Infer, Ninjakitty, UI and someothers who haven't said anything.


There now nuff said....Drop it

Getting sick of being talked down to......I want no more negetive ...more positive ^^

Not saying that everything said about me is negetive...but most.

Yes I've learned from my mistakes, Yes I am Gettign better at this job, Yes I have been doing a good job lately


So if that's good enough for you all......thank you

If not.....well can you please keep it to yourself.....I want no more "ZF shouldn't Be a Mod Blah Blah"

Okay^^ okay =3

By trying to silence it, you arent making them agree with you being a mod

you just need to prove yourself

Fine......Talk about it all you want...just not around me ^^

I don't know how much I need to prove myself?

I have done things that people don't see...maybe cuz no one reads it.

I Keep Topics On topics All the time....they tend to trail off >=(

First I wanted to say, Thank you and appreciate it. I'm possibly the most surprised from the outcome lol.


On Zetsu being a mod: Hence why he is on trial atm and I'm sure so am I. But i do agree with what you are saying. Allowing his mistakes to teach him so he doesn't let them happen again.


On Ranks: I agree they were kind of like pawns but they also had their saying in things. Look at naruto, He is still a genin but shows he has much more to offer than most jounins if not all. Still, the Jounins had to make an ideal for the genins and chuunins to learn and go by. We can all have our own sayings, that's a point of a site like this. But we have to do so with respect. We represent the authority of NC so we must represent it with more class than others. For example, imagine the police decided to cause a disruption within their own. Certain Pedestrians would notice that and use that to their advantage and try to overrule the police or cause more of a disruption between them. Basically causing havoc.