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post Jan 23 2009, 01:43 PM
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Well, BC is kind of dead, so I am going to open weekly topics of newest Bleach Manga chapters here. So what do you guys think about this chapter?

In my opinion, it was alright though I am so excited for the next one because I want to know what will Yummy do. Seriously, he just came out from no where so is he going to help Ichigo or obliterate him? I think he is going to stay neutral and remove those girls off from Inoue. And seriously, what is wrong with those two girls?! Inoue revived one of them and they still don't appreciate her. It doesn't make sense but I guess they are jealous of Inoue. I also want to know how is the release form going to look of Ully, Stark and other Espadas, and what are the other captains doing who are in Hueco Mundo?! Shouldn't they be helping Ichigo and others to defeat the Espadas? They did kill some Espadas (3 to be exact), but now Ichigo is facing two Espadas at once, though we don't know the intention of one(Espada no. 10, Yummy) of them. While the other one(Ully) we surely know the attention of, which is to kill or beat Ichigo. So tell me your opinion about this chapter? Did you like it or not? What are your predictions of the next chapter? Why did you liked it or hate it? What is really going on in there now?! Lol, that's all for me.


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post Jan 23 2009, 08:37 PM
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I'm kind of mad, nobody or at least not me cares a fig about those stupid girls. I am so sick of this manga ignoring the epic things to have chapter after chapter centered on completely pointless and trivial things. The Flashback should have only lasted ~5 chapters, and the lieutenants fighting should not have even been shown it was so boring. Now we have to deal with these girls for at least a few chapters when I want to see Ichigo and Uli fight god dammit!


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I'm with Gamer on the fact that nobody really talks about bleach.
Considering it is always what I read when I have to deal
with my disappointments as per the shortness of the Naruto Manga.

But Ichigo does struggle a bit too much for the main character.
This guy took out so many captains before he was at this level.
Most of it was done by his inner hollow
but irregardless.

If only he could meditate and train with the hollow within him
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post Jan 24 2009, 02:37 AM
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To zeriah: Wow, its weird. When Kakashi Gaiden was there in Naruto Manga, you guys lived it but when they went back in Bleach's history, you hate it, oh Irony. I don't know why you don't care about the girls, though we shouldn't it is sort of useless but doesn't that one on one first get boring? I mean, we already saw Ichigo fight Grimmjow and that other person who used to be a Espada. Then we saw other captains who came to Hueco Mundo in a one on one fight as well. In Ichigo versus Ully, there has to be some twists or else it just gets repetitive. Don't you think?! Though, ya it is an 'epic' fight but Inoue is surely important and it just adds more twists to the story, even though sometimes those twists are annoying and could make you feel like, what the heck is going on?! All in all, I agree and disagree with your comment.

No offense to the above posters but it just seems that you guys hate Bleach and love Naruto though Naruto is very related Bleach or vice versa. Though, I think main character of Bleach has always looked like a badass while in Naruto, the main character struggles a lot and looks like a badass sometimes. But anyways, thanks for the comments.

To Tumble: Ya, I didn't really like the whole twist about Inoue getting kidnapped though I don't hate it so much. I didn't like it because I didn't wanted her to be harmed. She is just such a pure and nice character but that always happens to the person who is the most nicest. Anyways, how it is going right now, it is going pretty good with lots of twists, though some of those twists are rather unnecessary but surely adds more fun to the story, which is compelling to me in a way.

To DangermouseBeta: Like Ichigo has lots of time in his hand for training, right?! He doesn't have time to breath and you are saying that he should look inside him and train his inner self. Nice one! And funny one too. He got killed by Ully once and then he came back and owned Grimmjow. So, he did improve somehow or someway. I think there is a lot more to him but we have to wait and see. That's all for me.


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post Jan 24 2009, 08:48 AM
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QUOTE (gamer154 @ Jan 24 2009, 06:37 PM) *
To zeriah: Wow, its weird. When Kakashi Gaiden was there in Naruto Manga, you guys lived it but when they went back in Bleach's history, you hate it, oh Irony. I don't know why you don't care about the girls, though we shouldn't it is sort of useless but doesn't that one on one first get boring? I mean, we already saw Ichigo fight Grimmjow and that other person who used to be a Espada. Then we saw other captains who came to Hueco Mundo in a one on one fight as well. In Ichigo versus Ully, there has to be some twists or else it just gets repetitive. Don't you think?! Though, ya it is an 'epic' fight but Inoue is surely important and it just adds more twists to the story, even though sometimes those twists are annoying and could make you feel like, what the heck is going on?! All in all, I agree and disagree with your comment.


First off I like Bleach. I think it is a good manga and for a good peroid of time I liked it much more than Naruto (During the freaking Sasugay period pretty much) but lately Kubo has done some extremely stupid things.

I didn't really like the Kakashi Gaiden but the timing of it was impeccable and it only lasted 6 chapters. Bleach's flashback was 12 whole chapters, he could have told us everything we needed to know in half that time. Also The timing of Bleach's one couldn't have been worse. The biggest cliff hanger I have ever seen in manga was completely ignored for 36 whole chapters thanks to that Flashback and the lieutenants fighting.

What Kubo is doing is damn retarded, he is spending way too much time focusing on things nobody cares about. We had to go through a good 12 chapters of lieutenants fighting no name fraccion. Then he gets the captains to fight the fraccion which made the fights completely pointless because they are so much stronger. Honestly what was Kubo thinking!?!

So after stomaching that boring as hell 36 chapters that has made nearly everyone I know stop reading Bleach, we finally get to see what we have been waiting for over 36 fcking weeks for and now it's going to be interrupted AGAIN by those stupid girls. WHY ISN'T KUBO FOCUSING ON THE CAPTAINS FIGHTING THE ESPADA AND ICHIGO FIGHTING ULI? Why do we have to deal with these stupid things practically everyone couldn't care less about? You have already tortured us for 36 weeks can't you just let us enjoy your manga Kubo? Why are you so hell bent on destroying your own work? cry2.gif

A good plot twist would be Ichigo getting destroyed by Uli (obviously after putting an admirable performance for a good period) and he gains complete control over his inner hollow and uses it to beat Uli. A good plot twist would be Urahara and the Vizard saving everyone's' asses because the top 3 Espada + Aizen are on a whole other level. A bad plot twist is having Orihime getting taken AGAIN for the what? 4th time by a bunch of weak ass no name arrancar that Ichigo or anyone else could kill with their eyes closed.

Kubo could have done some serious epic win with the current arc. Yamamoto, Shunsui, Jushiro and possibly Urahara and the Vizard fighting the top 3 Espada and Aizen, Gin and Kaname would have been so cool. We have no idea how strong these guys are (I've been dieing to know what Urahara's and Yamamoto's bankais' are). Instead we had to wait for months and months for any semblance of this happening and when they finally do start fighting, some stupid stupid plot twist will probably ruin it for us again. Just like how they are ruining the Ichigo and Uli fight...


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^ Ya, then you should pretty much stop reading all the Manga chapters you are reading right now because there is something called 'episodic' twists, which Naruto writer and Bleach writer are using. Even though, it could be lame at times but that is all about it. He surely gave us a lot of fun when Captains start fighting but went back to Ichigo which is more important, I guess. Then of course, he puts this twist about girls, but think about, isn't it all about that single girl which Ichigo tries to save which moves the story onwards. First it was Rukia, now it is Orihime, the difference is that before it was the Captains, now it is the Espadas. There is always someone saving something at the end of the day which can be applied to Naruto Manga as well, and you can't deny it. Surely, Kakashi Gaiden didn't last for a long time but I think it is justified that the 12 chapters of the past is fine, because we got a lot of insight about the whole background about Bleach's Universe, or else without it we wouldn't know if there was something called 0 division really existed or not. But because of those chapters we know how the whole plot is moving from that generation to the next. And we can surely infer that Bleach Universe is a little too stupid because they didn't realize that Aizen was a bad guy and had a big bad plan to destroy the whole Soul Society in making. Lol, they should have used the deduction skills of Detective Conan, which would've helped them a lot.

Anyways, don't take my first comment seriously because it is just a pun, which is partially intended. But I can understand your frustration, though you can apply the same frustration to Naruto Manga, or any other good Manga too, because it is always like the story is going to get exciting and something comes up which is weird or out of the way or something like that. That's all for me.


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Yeah it does apply to a lot of different mangas I guess. I've had the same frustrations to a lesser extent with Naruto. It's just that Kubo took the cliffhanger type deal to a whole other level. 36 weeks is excessive imo.


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^ Well, you can apply that to Naruto as well because since from the beginning, all that sorrow of Naruto, Kyuubi not being a true asset for Naruto and all that stuff equals that 36 week misery of Bleach Manga. Though, I like most of the 36 chapters of Bleach Manga and didn't think that those were a misery or anything like that. Different people, different opinions. That's all for me.


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^ SEE! You agree with me and I of course agree with you. That is why the argument is more like a discussion with you rather then an argument where we bang our heads on the wall to get a point across. Thank you for discussing with me zeriah, I truly appreciate it!


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QUOTE (gamer154 @ Jan 23 2009, 11:37 PM) *
To DangermouseBeta: Like Ichigo has lots of time in his hand for training, right?! He doesn't have time to breath and you are saying that he should look inside him and train his inner self. Nice one! And funny one too.

Ichigo has had his inner dialogue on many occasions in the middle of a fight.
There is so much time in between the action and him actually fighting
it bugs me that he doesnt take time to talk to his blade or
at least pick a new move beyond his Getsuga and over-abusing the hollow mask.

I would have had a harder time accepting Ichigo wiping the floor with Ully
just because he has managed to hold his mask longer.

Remember what the hollow within him did to Byakuya.
I wanna see that kinda ruthlessness in someone trying to take out
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